Episode-46- The Pistol Caliber Carbine in Survial Planning 42:00 Today we discuss a variety of concepts around “pistol caliber carbines” with an over view of various options and models from several manufacturers. Tune in today to hear.

What makes a “carbine” a carbine vs. Great show today. This is a topic that I’ve been considering a lot lately. My brother and I go to the range on a regular basis. He recently finished building his AR-15.45 caliber rifle and the ability to buy one type of round for his rifle and hand gun has made a big impression on me. I own a.357 and have been considering a lever-action rifle, so I appreciate hearing your opinion on that specific model. I’ve checked-out the Marlin site, but do you have any other companies in mind?

Unfortunately, I just bought a Remington 12 GA, so I’m going to have to wait on this new one! I’m a big fan of carbines. I have a Mosin-Nagant M44 and a Hi-Point 995. The Hi-Points are fun because you can build them up with accessories at a fraction of the cost of accessorising an AR-15. Here’s some links to my pimped out Hi-Point. That’s with an ATI stock and some other toys on it!

I agree with your assessment of Hi Point and their customer service; they’re not pretty, but they’re great for the money and they stand by their product. Another benefit to the KelTec Sub 2000 that is attractive to many buyers is that there are different versions that accept Glock, S&W and Beretta magazines. So if a shooter has a one of these brands of pistols, they can get a carbine in the same caliber that accepts the same mags. I’m sure someone has already gotten on your case about calling it a “clip” instead of a “magazine”, so I won’t be that guy and rub it in! Good podcast, I think I’ve got some new candidates for my gun collection! Magazine, Magazine, Magazine! Sorry, personal trainer issue.

I make guys do pushups when they say the C-word. Other than that, good show, I like that you spent time on the Hi-Point; a very under-rated firearm. My PD used the Hi-Point in 9mm for about 2 years until we were finally approved for the AR platform. Also, a small correction about PC lever actions; the.357 suffers from over-stablization in the longer barrel lengths and it actually looses down range velocity. An 18 inch is about the max you want to go with that caliber, they get the best results out of the 16 inch barrels. Thanks for the shows. @doc66, Well I stopped doing push ups on command on June 13, 1993, the effective date of my ETS from the U.S.

(grin) You are correct of course that the proper term is magazine, when you grow up hunting squirrels with a Model 25 Marlin in rural PA though, it is always going to be a “clip” at least on occasion. I do understand though, I keep snakes and I have been working with reptiles my whole life. It drives me nuts when someone calls any snake “poisonous”. No snake is poisonous as you can eat them all and venom won’t effect you if digested.

Snakes are “venomous” as venom must be injected or delivered by some other means into the blood stream or muscle tissue to be effective. I guess we are all saddled with others abusing words at times.

I will try to call them “magazines” on the show but isn’t a magazine something you read;). I recently picked up a Taurus Thunderbolt.45 Colt to go with my Ruger Vaquero pistols. I haven’t had an opportunity to shoot the Thunder bolt yet but it appears to be a well made rifle. It’s not “tacticool” like some of the stuff mentioned in the show and with a 26” barrel it’s not exactly a carbine ether but it is available in.45 colt and.357/.38 special.

The.45 Colt holds 14 rounds and since the Thunderbolt is a short stroke pump action it can be fired or slam fired almost as fast as you could fire a semi auto. I have considered shortening the barrel making it more carbine length or I may try developing a load that will take advantage of the longer barrel. For now I will wait until I have had a chance to put it through its paces before making any drastic changes.

I have been wanting a 995 on and off. Your show has again made me want to get one.

I just wish they’d get a higher capacity magazine working. I think only promag offers one, and I heard it sucks. A 45acp version would be cool. I shot a full sized UZI rifle with a 45 kit and it was a great time. For a short range carbine, I prefer a red dot optic. As for the ATI stock, I say “Keep it ugly”.

Someone posted your link in a forum and I am glad they did. I listen to Sirius online and podcasts all day at work. I think this will keep me going for a while until I catch up. I also referred your site to my friend who has an unrelated podcast that he does monthly. Perhaps you guys will cross post each other. I took the previously mentioned Taurus Thunderbolt to the range a couple weeks ago and was impressed with it.

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The action is a little stiff but not bad. It fed the Remington ammo I used without a hitch and I am pleased with its accuracy at approximately 100 yards. I still question whether the barrel is too long to get the most out of the.45 Colt cartridge but will need to measure the bullet velocity before coming to a conclusion on that point.

Over all I think this rifle would be a good choice for the person looking for a pistol caliber long gun especially if you prefer the look of classic firearms over the modern stuff. True, the Thunderbolt is not as short as it could be but in the rack next to a Mossberg 500 with a 20” barrel they look to be about the same length. @Bruce, I sure wouldn’t try it. The bullets are exactly the same so that is not the issue.

My concern would be what effect the very small charge of powder has in such a large case. My advice would be to use the formulas in the Lee manual to reduce the loads a bit at a time and see how low you can safely go according to those guidelines. I am sure you can come up with some great reduced loads but taking a powder like H227 and reducing it in such a large case without some sort of solid data is not something I would recommend. I absolutley agree with most of this podcast.

I have a Ruger Deerfield and a Hi-Point 995. I have killed more than my fare share of deer with the Ruger, in fact, it is my gun of choice for deer hunting in the brushy jungles of Missouri. I love my hi-point. It works very well, and I would trust it eith my life. I you get the new ine with all the rails, look into getting the laserlite/kabar pistol bayonet. It is a perfect fit, and adds another layer of comfort in home defense. I have owned both the kel-tec sub 2000 and the su-16a ( the.223 rifle.

I absolutley hate the sub 2000. It is a piece of crap. Malfunctions galore, and poor grouping. I did like the su-16a, I had no problems with it and I loved the fact that it had a built in bipod and accepted ar mags. That said, I traded it for my beloved ak-47. Ohhh, the ak-47!

I recently had a thought that has still not left me no matter how much I try to shake it. It’s actually a combination of ideas and I’m sure I’m not the first to think of any of them. I have a taurus judge 3″.

I’ve seen the thompson center katahdin in 460 s&w. I’ve seen the raging judge 454 410. I’d like to somehow see them all combined. I figured that maybe it was too much of a gap to jump in a 3″ 410 chamber, maybe 2-1/2″ is viable. How about a bolt or lever or pump rifle in 460 that can fire all three?

I’d be happy with it even if it didn’t fire 410. Or with a 454/410 rifle that didn’t fire 460. Maybe I’m crazy or just don’t understand all the different complications going on there, but dang it, I want one! Whatever the combination might be.

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